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The Giant.theharoldlloydc...	Brownlow, and Shepard Never Met Roberto Di Chiara!	#41	[url]	[-]
Posts: 14 07/25/08 14:50:28	For all of you who say that it is not possible , I was shocked to learn that not only had Kevin Brownlow, and David Shepard ever been to Roberto Di Chiara's Silent film archive in Argentina, they had never met, or even heard of the man before! So in other word's the notion that every archive from here to Timbuktu has been turned inside out for this movie, and other lost films, is simply not the case. In-fact, I no more than spoke to Kevin Browlow, and two or three weeks later Roberto had passed away. A few months ealier, David Shepard thought I was talking about a completely different guy in South America. Poor Roberto lacked financial resources, was very cautious with his collection, and never learned to speak English. All of this helps to account for his low profile, and surprising level of obscurity. Again I ask, what is hidden among his holding's? We still don't know, and unless this matter is seriously investigated by competent people, and arrangement's are made to preserve the man's collection, (the government their could basically care less), than we are unlikely to ever find out? As it is, time may be rapidly running out for something to be done! Last Edited By: The Giant 07/25/08 15:36:31. Edited 1 time.
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Mort Daddy	BETTER PLACE TO CONTACT ME IN REGARDS TO INTERVIEWING SID TERROR DIRECTLY	#42	[url]	[-]
Posts: 820 07/25/08 17:32:24	mortimer@thehorrordrunx.com
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GaryP11111		#43	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4 07/25/08 18:10:03	As for me looking for LONDON AFTER MIDNIGHT, nope -- it's been done. Many times. And if I found it sitting on a shelf I sure as hell would have made a little noise about it over the past two decades. My own credentials include writing about early Mexican horror films and silent horror films for Video Watchdog. The upcoming book VAMPIROS AND MONSTRUOS: THE MEXICAN HORROR FILM OF THE 20th CENTURY, edited by Mirek Lipinski, includes my chapter about Mexican horror films from the '30s and '40s. I'm also writing a book about the evolution of silent horror films titled SYMPHONY OF HORROR. An abridged chapter was published in two parts in 2006 and 2007 in Monsters From The Vault magazine. Yeah, I know it isn't exactly drinking a 40 ouncer, but I try. Anyhoo, I really do hope this pans out and LAM turns up. It would be a monumental find. BTW, Lon Chaney biographer Michael F. Blake has offered to take Sid to see the right people at Warners/Turner. Last Edited By: HD Admin 07/28/08 18:28:16. Edited 4 times.
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Mort Daddy		#44	[url]	[-]
Posts: 820 07/25/08 19:47:54	GaryP11111 wrote: BTW, Lon Chaney biographer Michael F. Blake has offered to take Sid to see the right people at Warners/Turner. where eactly did you hear this from? please do not link "that other board".... "that other board" is notorious for allowing it's members to spread hideous lies about forrest j. ackerman...and plagiarizing a recent exclusive eric caiden news story by the horror drunx. my moderators will quickly jump into action if this happens again. Last Edited By: Mort Daddy 07/25/08 19:50:37. Edited 1 time.
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GaryP11111		#45	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4 07/25/08 19:48:35	Hmm. I see a part of my post was edited out. Oh, well . . . GARY L. PRANGE "Sic gorgiamus allos subjectos nunc." Check out my YouTube Video of the Week! (updated 3-24-08)
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LonChaney		#46	[url]	[-]
Posts: 14 07/25/08 20:15:49	After giving it much consideration, I would like to go on record as being in support of Mr. Terror and the efforts being made by The Horror Drunx toward locating this missing picture. Knowing what I know firsthand about studio executives, their assistants and the state of affairs at studio storage facilities, I find Mr. Terror's story and accounting of events to be highly credible. Rather than pass judgment as to why he did not act sooner, I commend him on his bravery for coming forward now, regardless of the risks of public scrutiny and criticism, to make this information known so that it may be acted upon in a productive manner. It is my sincerest hope that this print of "London After Midnight" (a.k.a., "The Hypnotist") be found quickly and in good condition. LON F. CHANEY Beverly Hills, CA myspace.com/leonidas_chaney Last Edited By: LonChaney 07/25/08 21:24:38. Edited 1 time.
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Mort Daddy		#47	[url]	[-]
Posts: 820 07/26/08 01:19:19	LonChaney wrote: After giving it much consideration, I would like to go on record as being in support of Mr. Terror and the efforts being made by The Horror Drunx toward locating this missing picture. Knowing what I know firsthand about studio executives, their assistants and the state of affairs at studio storage facilities, I find Mr. Terror's story and accounting of events to be highly credible. Rather than pass judgment as to why he did not act sooner, I commend him on his bravery for coming forward now, regardless of the risks of public scrutiny and criticism, to make this information known so that it may be acted upon in a productive manner. It is my sincerest hope that this print of "London After Midnight" (a.k.a., "The Hypnotist") be found quickly and in good condition. sid would never risk a career of more than thirty years in music and movie industry for a "hoax". and i would never intentionally destroy an organzation that i built from the ground up to generate some unwarranted website hits. it's an utterly ridiculous notion to think we have nothing better to do. the kids calling it a "hoax" are the real hoaxsters in reality.
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StormerCenobitch		#48	[url]	[-]
Posts: 136 07/26/08 01:43:03	I think this is a great find! I don't know why Sid waited so long, but I know he's genuine and wouldn't lie about something this important. The story had too many important details and information for it to be a fake. I just hope that the right people are being alerted and that this movie gets the attention it deserves. I would love to be able to see the film in the near future. Unfortunately, I can't provide any useful information... but I will still fully support Sid and wish him the best of luck...
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Zombri		#49	[url]	[-]
Posts: 707 07/26/08 01:56:23	StormerCenobitch wrote: I will still fully support Sid and wish him the best of luck... as will I. ^v^Washington Horror Drunx^v^ www.myspace.com/horrordrunx_wa
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kyleduenas		#50	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7 07/26/08 05:06:57	i don't understand why people would even dobut this article it's pretty sad that people would actually come in here and call this article a hoax that is just complete and utter bullshit!!!! i for one will say that i believe 100% in this article and for you people that call this fake or a hoax if you don't like us then FUCK OFF!!!
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deathdolly		#51	[url]	[-]
Posts: 494 07/26/08 05:09:16	Mort Daddy wrote: LonChaney wrote: After giving it much consideration, I would like to go on record as being in support of Mr. Terror and the efforts being made by The Horror Drunx toward locating this missing picture. Knowing what I know firsthand about studio executives, their assistants and the state of affairs at studio storage facilities, I find Mr. Terror's story and accounting of events to be highly credible. Rather than pass judgment as to why he did not act sooner, I commend him on his bravery for coming forward now, regardless of the risks of public scrutiny and criticism, to make this information known so that it may be acted upon in a productive manner. It is my sincerest hope that this print of "London After Midnight" (a.k.a., "The Hypnotist") be found quickly and in good condition. sid would never risk a career of more than thirty years in music and movie industry for a "hoax". and i would never intentionally destroy an organzation that i built from the ground up to generate some unwarranted website hits. it's an utterly ridiculous notion to think we have nothing better to do. the kids calling it a "hoax" are the real hoaxsters in reality. Reading these two posts made me just all kinds of happy. And Mort nails it on the head for all the naysayers and the like. Kudos once again to Sid and Mort. You guys rock. Mort- I can see you smiling from here....Yep...I do...
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IndieFilmmaker		#52	[url]	[-]
Posts: 13 07/26/08 08:05:01	Mort Daddy wrote: LonChaney wrote: After giving it much consideration, I would like to go on record as being in support of Mr. Terror and the efforts being made by The Horror Drunx toward locating this missing picture. Knowing what I know firsthand about studio executives, their assistants and the state of affairs at studio storage facilities, I find Mr. Terror's story and accounting of events to be highly credible. Rather than pass judgment as to why he did not act sooner, I commend him on his bravery for coming forward now, regardless of the risks of public scrutiny and criticism, to make this information known so that it may be acted upon in a productive manner. It is my sincerest hope that this print of "London After Midnight" (a.k.a., "The Hypnotist") be found quickly and in good condition. sid would never risk a career of more than thirty years in music and movie industry for a "hoax". and i would never intentionally destroy an organzation that i built from the ground up to generate some unwarranted website hits. it's an utterly ridiculous notion to think we have nothing better to do. the kids calling it a "hoax" are the real hoaxsters in reality. The "kids" calling this story a hoax happen to include many of the leading film historians and preservationists-many of the same people, in fact, that you are calling on to help lead the search for this film.
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Johnny Bisco		#53	[url]	[-]
Posts: 161 07/26/08 08:32:20	Mort, Sid and all the rest, sorry I have waited so long to chime in on this. I have my reasons as to why I have waited so hear me out, this goes to all the doubters as well. Sorry if this post gets long winded but Im not going to be a rah rah "ya you tell em guys" cheerleader here, I do have points that I feel need to be said. I didnt run right out and blindly support this and it was for these reasons, the first time I saw the bulletin on myspace I was under the impression that it was found like Metropolis and was in hand. I was stoked, blown away so I did the mandatory re-posting and called friends of mine and told them. Then I read Sids article and was actually a little diappointed.............. Now I have learned over the years not to take too much into what is on the internet and rarely take what is written on it to be gospel especially when it comes to this movie as I have seen a few hoaxes about it over the years. (it was on the internet it MUST be true!!!! insert sarcasm) So I sat on the sidelines a bit and watched this unfold , I am not a blind follower of anything but the truth. I have been watching this board and few others that shall remain nameless and read everyones opinions on this matter. To the doubters, I dont blame you! Some (and I stress the word SOME) of you have made valid articulate points and I fully understand where you are coming from. Like I said earlier there have been a few hoaxes about this over the years and we all have been burned before. It's easy to dismiss this as a "made up" story and I have seen a few folks on other boards say things like "it's convenient that the players in this story are dead" or "why did he wait so long" and "who is this Sid guy and does he really have any connections at all?" From what i can tell a few things that were stated in this article would only be known by insiders (like the location of where the movie was found) so that DOES lend credance to what he says, like it or not. And doubters do not call out me on that as that came from a highly respected member on your boards! Yes it is easy to dismiss this as a hoax and that it was only done to get more hits on the site as has been suggested elsewhere. What was one of the comments I read "look at their logo can you take them seriously? Well I'd have to say yes you can! A lot more than I can take some of you who just ramble off uneducated opinions and expect us to take what you say as gospel! There are two sides to the coin just because you say its lost forever doesnt make it so! Correct me if im wrong but wasnt the extra Metropolis footage and Thomas Edisons Frankenstein "lost" forever? Seems to me they were found.............. But really guys, think about this for a minute, why would a brand new site and a group that prides itself on telling the truth on all matters of Horror (no we arent all just about "slamming 40s at peoples graves") risk its reputation and risk a BRAND NEW website to play a hoax just to get more hits and members? Why would Sid risk his reputation and his band (who have probably been around longer than a few of you doubters have even been alive) for a hoax? That would seem like a risky move to me, Mort, Sid and the rest of us want this site to grow not implode on itself in the first 2 months of existance! So that being said I am in full support of this and hope these leads come to something as im sure we would all love to see this film in its true form, because I dont know about you guys, but I have been fascinated by Lon Chaneys make-up in this movie since I was a child in the 70's! again sorry this was long winded but I felt this needed to be said! Michigan Horror Drunx Chapter Leader www.myspace.com/michiganhorrordrunx Last Edited By: Johnny Bisco 07/26/08 08:38:06. Edited 1 time.
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Mort Daddy		#54	[url]	[-]
Posts: 820 07/26/08 09:53:32	IndieFilmmaker wrote: Mort Daddy wrote: LonChaney wrote: After giving it much consideration, I would like to go on record as being in support of Mr. Terror and the efforts being made by The Horror Drunx toward locating this missing picture. Knowing what I know firsthand about studio executives, their assistants and the state of affairs at studio storage facilities, I find Mr. Terror's story and accounting of events to be highly credible. Rather than pass judgment as to why he did not act sooner, I commend him on his bravery for coming forward now, regardless of the risks of public scrutiny and criticism, to make this information known so that it may be acted upon in a productive manner. It is my sincerest hope that this print of "London After Midnight" (a.k.a., "The Hypnotist") be found quickly and in good condition. sid would never risk a career of more than thirty years in music and movie industry for a "hoax". and i would never intentionally destroy an organzation that i built from the ground up to generate some unwarranted website hits. it's an utterly ridiculous notion to think we have nothing better to do. the kids calling it a "hoax" are the real hoaxsters in reality. The "kids" calling this story a hoax happen to include many of the leading film historians and preservationists-many of the same people, in fact, that you are calling on to help lead the search for this film. can you name all of these film historians and preservationist? and why are they sitting on the internet wasting time? the last time i checked it was apart of the job description to look into these matters.
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IndieFilmmaker		#55	[url]	[-]
Posts: 13 07/26/08 11:06:16	Mort Daddy wrote: IndieFilmmaker wrote: Mort Daddy wrote: LonChaney wrote: After giving it much consideration, I would like to go on record as being in support of Mr. Terror and the efforts being made by The Horror Drunx toward locating this missing picture. Knowing what I know firsthand about studio executives, their assistants and the state of affairs at studio storage facilities, I find Mr. Terror's story and accounting of events to be highly credible. Rather than pass judgment as to why he did not act sooner, I commend him on his bravery for coming forward now, regardless of the risks of public scrutiny and criticism, to make this information known so that it may be acted upon in a productive manner. It is my sincerest hope that this print of "London After Midnight" (a.k.a., "The Hypnotist") be found quickly and in good condition. sid would never risk a career of more than thirty years in music and movie industry for a "hoax". and i would never intentionally destroy an organzation that i built from the ground up to generate some unwarranted website hits. it's an utterly ridiculous notion to think we have nothing better to do. the kids calling it a "hoax" are the real hoaxsters in reality. The "kids" calling this story a hoax happen to include many of the leading film historians and preservationists-many of the same people, in fact, that you are calling on to help lead the search for this film. can you name all of these film historians and preservationist? and why are they sitting on the internet wasting time? the last time i checked it was apart of the job description to look into these matters. First, I'm not going to list their names in this forum, as I'm sure they don't want to be bothered with this nonsense, and I consider it bad form to post personal contact information in an online forum without express permission from that person. I understand this sounds like a cop-out answer, and am prepared to shouted down. Still, I'm not posting anyone's contact information, unlike the original poster. Second, they are not "sitting on the Internet wasting time". I can assure you of that. I might just ask the same thing of others here, who-if they are convinced this print is sitting in the Warners vault just waiting to be discovered-should stop talking about it and arrange an appointment to meet with the archive librarian. Countless historians and preservationists have already done this many times over the last forty years, and have concluded beyond doubt that the film is simply not there, under any title. Finally, you're right-it is in their "job description" to look into these matters. And they have. Again and again and again. For at least the past forty years. And guess what? Not one of them has ever encountered a single shred of evidence to suggest that there is any surviving material on the film. Please understand, I am not doubting that a print could exist in some foreign archive. I'm specifically referring to this particular "sighting", which can safely be discounted as untrue.
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RomeovonFrankenstein	¿¿¿	#56	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1 07/26/08 13:01:33	Sid, I personaly think all that is important on this topic is "London After Midnight" has been found and can be viewed by the Horror Communty for the first time in over 40 years. I do not understand why anyone would take the time out of their lives to post rude comments, such as the ones below. They obviously have too much free time and do not use it to do research, as an intelagent person would do. Thank you for all of your contributions to the Horror Comminty! I know there are many of us that stand behind you!
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IndieFilmmaker		#57	[url]	[-]
Posts: 13 07/26/08 13:12:52	RomeovonFrankenstein wrote: Sid, I personaly think all that is important on this topic is "London After Midnight" has been found and can be viewed by the Horror Communty for the first time in over 40 years. I do not understand why anyone would take the time out of their lives to post rude comments, such as the ones below. They obviously have too much free time and do not use it to do research, as an intelagent person would do. Thank you for all of your contributions to the Horror Comminty! I know there are many of us that stand behind you! Let me see if I understand this...just because someone disagrees, their comments are "rude"? I'm afraid that Mr. Terror has quite a task ahead of him in proving his claim that he held a print of "London After Midnight" in his hands, and that it resides in the very archive that has been fruitlessly combed over who knows how many times in the past. Believe me, I would be delighted to be proven wrong on this. I can't tell you how excited I would be at the prospect of this long-lost film surfacing, especially in the same year that saw the recovery of the complete "Metropolis" and the uncut version of "A Night at the Opera" (a much under-reported discovery, in my opinion). The fact is, until I see some sort of proof, or read a confirmation by a reputable historian or archivist, I'm inclined not to believe the story. That's my choice, and one that many others have made. I don't dismiss it out of hand, of course. I read Mr. Terror's letter many times, but unfortunately, it was so filled with improbabilities (to say the least) that I have to remain skeptical. I don't intend this to be "rude". As for not doing "research", I can assure you that even a cursory amount of research that could be gleaned from a basic Google search would show all sorts of facts that point to gaping errors and lapses in plausibility in the original post. I'd also point out an error in your own post. "London After Midnight" has yet not "been found" or can "be viewed by the horror community". That is the final, most troubling part of this whole thing to me. If Mr. Terror had indeed held a print of this cinematic "holy grail" in his hands, why did he leave it in the vault just to mysteriously vanish again? Please, if I am seriously misinterpreting what was said in the original post, explain it to me. I am willing to be persuaded otherwise, but it would take some pretty solid evidence.
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Drac39		#58	[url]	[-]
Posts: 15 07/26/08 14:02:05	This deserves to be investigated. Everyone preaching the "It was lost in Vault 7" horn so don't bother looking is wrong. I would be lying if I said I believed 100% of Sids account to be true but I know that it would be irresponsible to just shrug it off and not have the right people follow up on it
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IndieFilmmaker		#59	[url]	[-]
Posts: 13 07/26/08 14:22:28	Drac39 wrote: This deserves to be investigated. Everyone preaching the "It was lost in Vault 7" horn so don't bother looking is wrong. I would be lying if I said I believed 100% of Sids account to be true but I know that it would be irresponsible to just shrug it off and not have the right people follow up on it Well, has anyone followed up on it yet? Has anyone contacted any of the people listed in the original post? If so, what did they say? That would be the next question to ask. If Sid's story is true at all, the film should be listed as "The Hynotist, aka London After Midnight", correct? A simple search should turn that up. Until a single "official" contact speaks out on this, I will continue to believe it is a hoax.
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deathdolly		#60	[url]	[-]
Posts: 494 07/26/08 14:47:23	IndieFilmmaker wrote: Drac39 wrote: This deserves to be investigated. Everyone preaching the "It was lost in Vault 7" horn so don't bother looking is wrong. I would be lying if I said I believed 100% of Sids account to be true but I know that it would be irresponsible to just shrug it off and not have the right people follow up on it Well, has anyone followed up on it yet? Has anyone contacted any of the people listed in the original post? If so, what did they say? That would be the next question to ask. If Sid's story is true at all, the film should be listed as "The Hynotist, aka London After Midnight", correct? A simple search should turn that up. Until a single "official" contact speaks out on this, I will continue to believe it is a hoax. You articulate your points very well IndieFilmmaker, and many of them are valid. However, Sid will be back tomorrow and until then, I think everyone should sit tight and wait until he has a chance to answer his public, be they supporters or naysayers.
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